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re: Q. Okay to desire other people?

yes, desire away.  

Posted by herculesbride    Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:38 PM

re: Q. Okay to desire other people?

when you fantasize about other people, not your spouse, you are being unfaithful to your partner. if you think about them more and more, you're more likely to act on those thoughts.

Posted by caitybug    Friday, February 01, 2008 10:42 AM

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I respectfully disagree. I think that fantasizing about other people besides your spouse is a normal and healthy thing. When I say fantasizing about, I mean simply dreaming, or day dreaming about, not ACTING on on those thoughts/dreams. I am not talking about obsessing about the person in your fantasy (obsessing would not be healthy)...  When one takes the energy from the rush about having a fantasy that does not include their partner and then uses that energy to improve their relationship with their partner, it is helpful. If you ignore that you have these thoughts (or feel such guilt about having such thoughts rather than saying, it's just a dream and I'm not going to act on it) you're leaving yourself much more open towards crossing boundaries and actually acting on your fantasies.  Depending upon who/what your fantasizing about, it can be helpful to share with your partner certain aspects of your fantasies. For example, you are having a fantasy about being with someone else, but they are doing something new and different than what you and your partner do, tell your partner, "You know what I really have been fantasizing about... I want to try X position/place, what do you think?"

Posted by jen+micah4ever    Friday, February 01, 2008 5:48 PM

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I agree with caitybug. You are visually cheating by allowing yourself to go so far as fantasize about another person. I'm not denying that there are going to be people you see that are attractive, but that's all it should be. If you cross the line into fantasizing about that person you are crossing a boundary that shouldn't be breached. You just shouldn't go there. Now that being said. It is ok to fantasize about your partner and it's perfectly healthy to discuss what you've been fantasizing about. That can only help your relationship. And if you do find yourself in a predicament where you are fantasizing about another person you need to pray about it and talk to your spouse. You need to be able to discuss uncomfortable subjects such as this with your spouse. It will help you grow as a couple. Bottom line, you have to ask yourself "what good can come of fantasizing about someone other than my spouse?" Nothing. Nothing good can come of that.

Posted by twiggygirl    Friday, February 08, 2008 2:44 PM

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fantaizing about someone other than your partner is only a problem for the weak willed who will be drawn to act on those thoughts.

Posted by LatteKitten    Sunday, February 10, 2008 2:37 PM

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totally

Posted by mverno    Monday, February 18, 2008 11:36 AM

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What exactly is fantasizing?

Posted by curranm    Tuesday, February 19, 2008 11:57 PM

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I disagree that fantasizing is only a problem for the weak willed. It seems to me that if you understand what is behind the fantasy you can understand why you shouldn't do it. If you are fantasizing it means you "want" something more than what you have. But do you really want someone other than your spouse? If not then you shouldn't allow yourself to pretend that you do.

Posted by curranm    Wednesday, February 20, 2008 12:06 AM

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It's normal to notice if someone is attractive.  It's impossible not to.  HOWEVER, if someone is actually taking time to fantasize about someone other than their spouse, that's wrong in my opinion.  If you're gonna make the time and effort to lust after someone, it should be the person you are in a relationship with, lol.  If you can't get someone off your mind other than the person you're with, you need to evaluate your priorities and whether or not you should even be in a committed relationship.  That's my opinion, anyway.

Posted by dlreynolds    Friday, February 22, 2008 12:14 AM

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Alison'sHusband here... home sick from work and enjoying TheNest...

My Two Cents:

-Fantasy is normal, natural and healthy.  It doesn't matter what the topic is, your imagination is your own, unless you want to share part or all of it with someone else.

-Fantasizing is not the same as obsessing, nor is fantasizing the same as attempting to act out.  People fantasize about things they shouldn't do all the time.  It's part of dealing with Life's frustrations.  But if thoughts do lead to obsession or action, fantasy is not the problem.  Something deeper is going on.

-Everyone has their own personal beliefs about what constitutes cheating, unfaithfulness, etc.  Some are based on religion, some on insecurities, some are rational, some are not.  The point is to be realistic and clear with your own spouse and yourself about what is important to you.  

Personally, I would feel bad if my wife felt guilty or sinful if she indulged in a fantasy about someone else.  I am not the Thought Police!  I may not want to hear about her George Clooney/hot coworker/Brad Pitt fantasies, but as her husband, I'll most certainly be there for her when its time for her to blow off steam!  Because no matter who she fantasizes about from time to time, I'm the one she is committed to acting out with.  And I trust her.

-Alison'sHusband

Posted by alisonsimmers    Wednesday, February 27, 2008 1:36 PM

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I don't know that it is ok to desire someone other then you spouse.  Desire is to wish or long for; crave; want or to express a wish to obtain; ask for; request. To desire someone is very different then to occasionally have a fantasy about them. I know it is normal to look and check out people around you but desire is something much deeper in my opinion.

Posted by pete82    Thursday, March 06, 2008 1:50 PM

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Jesus warned against unclean thinking when he said: "Everyone that keeps on looking at a woman so as to have a passion for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart." (Matthew 5:28)

Posted by jmedor    Thursday, March 13, 2008 3:26 PM

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Looking or thinking is ok as long as you don't act upon those thoughts.  I often have random dreams about ex b/f's but know when I wake up that there is no one else in the world I would want to be with.  Being faithful is a must.  Everyone has those thoughts so it's natural.  Just make sure you keep those hands in your pockets! :)

Posted by salukis2    Friday, April 04, 2008 12:34 PM

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Desire and fantasize are different.

Is ok to fantasize?  Sure a healthy amount, not in a sexual I want to replace my partner kinda way.

But to desire someone else is not ok... this implies a wish to obtain this thing you desire.  Desire goes beyond a fantasy.

Posted by Steve&Aliy    Saturday, April 12, 2008 4:17 AM

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It's completely WRONG! It's unfaithful and inconsiderate! If you love someone why would you want to think of anyone else? It's stupid... If you're not finished desiring other people, don't get married!

Posted by nyyank4life7    Wednesday, April 16, 2008 12:36 AM

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I think it's okay to fantasize about other people.  If your religious beliefs tell you that it's not, then fine, go with those.  But I believe that as long as it's in your mind and you don't try to act out your fantasy with this other person, then what can be wrong with it?  If you're turned out by what you're doing in the fantasy rather than the person, talk with your partner.

Posted by Charli1172    Wednesday, April 16, 2008 9:28 PM

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i dont think there is a correct answer to this question. if you are simply fantasizing, and you dont feel that it is wrong, then there is no problem there. as humans, we are always going to find others attractive, even if you are happily in a relationship. however, if you find yourself fantasizing, but feel guilty or that it is wrong, then that is your right and you should do something to fix it, such as talking to your spouse about it. but personally, i think that dreaming about say, brad pitt isn't wrong. . because you're never going to take it further. flirting and obsessing. . that is wrong in my book.

Posted by xaleahx    Wednesday, May 07, 2008 9:25 PM

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Honestly, I think it's a moot point. Most human beings are going to fantasize about someone other than their partner at one point-- IMO, fantasizing that you had a partner who say, did the dishes more often or whatever is also technically a fantasy and isn't about your partner since the descriptor doesn't fit. Is that morally wrong? Having a fleeting fantasy is healthy and normal-- having a desire and obsession is a whole different ballgame.

Posted by LovelyMissNikki    Saturday, May 10, 2008 10:29 PM

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Also, if your partner does fantasize, there's no way to know or prove it. No one can be the thought police-- having less than proper thoughts in and of itself isn't wrong, it's when you act on them that you cross a line.

Posted by LovelyMissNikki    Saturday, May 10, 2008 10:28 PM

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Think of it this way, when we gratify our sexual fantasies with another, we rob our partner of that full and complete intimacy. Think what would happen if we focussed every sexual impulse on our partner, and starved ourselves from other stimuli. There would be no divorce, and no unfaithfulness. The unattractive qualities we may find in our partner now seem not all that bad when we stop "feeding" on other sources of intimacy. By focusing our complete sexual desire on our partner, the relationship becomes a wild romance. And by the way, your partner will wonder what got into you :)

Posted by hanant    Tuesday, May 27, 2008 3:44 PM

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I would suggest you read "Every Man's Battle" or "Every Woman's Battle." These books discuss this issue. It is an excellent book. I did "Every Womans's Battle" while in Iraq with a group of women.  

Posted by CatLady303    Friday, May 30, 2008 9:45 AM

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I have read over everyone's thoughts and opinions on this situation. I feel I must interject with my own.

Having a DREAM and having a FANTASY are two different things. With a dream, your brain is subconsciously developing an image for you. With a fantasy, you are knowingly creating your own image.

Knowing this, I have to say that to have fantasies about other women/men is utterly unfaithful. Imagine this: The world is different place. You can read people's thoughts. You and your SO are making love and you see that they are thinking of so and so's breasts during, not yours, or the hot sexy body of whatshisname at the office. How would that feel to you. It's not you that gives them that sexual craving but someone else.

I was always taught that if you are with someone that you love and loves you, no one else will seem quite as attractive to you, therefore there is no need for fantasy. And believe me, my mother was nowhere NEAR religious. Sure other people are attractive, but from an objective stand point. It is okay to think others are attractive if they are from this view.

I realize that I can not moniter my husband's actions that take place within his mind, but luckily we've had this discussion before we got married. Hell, we had this discussion before we were too deep in our relationship. He agrees with me. He wouldn't like me fantasizing about other men, so why would it be okay for him to do it with other women? I trust him completely on that ground and neither of us has ever felt guilty.

I think that is the discussion one must have if they find that they are thinking of other people. If your SO is okay with it, then I guess it's okay for you. Just don't expect others to change their opinions of it.

Posted by Mrs. Oosterveld    Wednesday, July 23, 2008 10:18 AM

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It is completely normal and healthy. My guy and I actually share our fantasies out loud all the time, often they involve other people

Posted by benamy104    Saturday, July 26, 2008 11:46 PM

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I have to say that I agree with jmedor's post on the topic. i went through the entire thread waiting on someone to post something about that bible verse.

Jesus warned against unclean thinking when he said: "Everyone that keeps on looking at a woman so as to have a passion for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart." (Matthew 5:28)

Not saying that it is required of everyone to follow this and if you don't you are completely wrong but i will say this. I love my fiance very much and I know he loves men. However, never have I looked at another man and "fantisized" about him or even noticed how attractive this other man may or may not be. I am not perfect at all in any way, and I know it is "natural" to have fantisies and what not, but not if you are with the person you are spending the rest of your life with (or planning on spending the rest of your life with). I am with my wonderful, amazing fiance Travis because he is everything i want in a husband. He is loyal, sweet, caring, adorable, tall, intelligent, funny. He is perfect, so why should I look at someone else if I am so in love with him.  I wouldn't want him fantisizing about another woman. I honestly don't think that's fair on the other partner. It's like you are mentally cheating on them, secretly. You are having this inner thoughts about other women or men and it's wrong. If Travis one day told me about one of his fantisies he may or may not be having (hopefully not), I would be hurt. I would feel uncomfortable around him in a way because I feel that he should be committed to me and only me, MIND, body, and soul.

Posted by coleturner    Tuesday, August 05, 2008 2:13 PM

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correction: my fiance does not love "men" he love ME :)

thanks

Posted by coleturner    Tuesday, August 05, 2008 2:24 PM

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I just ran into this the other day - my FI told me that he had a dream about sleeping with one of my best friends - and that he's never came to more in his life. He's never told me that he's had a naughty dream about me... so it kind of hurt my feelings. I think he had this dream because we were hanging out with her not too long ago, and we're waiting for marriage to have sex - and I think now that the wedding is getting closer - he's becoming more and more interested in doing it... But I was really sad when he told me that it was my best friend and not me.

Posted by trinateri    Friday, September 19, 2008 10:46 AM

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I think that it is totally ok to have a FANTASY about someone else.  What are you doing when you are role-playing?  Pretending you are someone else that your spouse finds attractive.  As long as my husband never acts on his fantasy with anyone but me I am fine with it.  I know how in love I am with him and how in love he is with me and we both trust each other enough to know that neither would do anything to hurt the other.  

Posted by lchaudoir    Thursday, September 25, 2008 12:14 PM