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08-28-2008 at 8:37 PM
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Mrs.JDD or anyone from Geneva - Is it true??

OK, in all fairness, this is not intended to put you on the spot. You may not be able to answer these questions, but I have to ask someone who may know more of the details.  You can also plead the 5th! : )  Maybe someone else knows???

* ...there was a record number of volunteers for the Geneva EHM (~114,000)?

* They couldn't get enough people to volunteer for a Habitat for Humanity House that was being constructed at the same time?

* The focus of the show this season is now people who help the community and not necessarily needs-based?

* The EHM recipient has about 5 businesses and is very 'comfortable'?

* The family had just finished remodeling their entire downstairs?

* Some contractors/businesses in Geneva wouldn't participate in the project so they had to get people from as far away as Syracuse?

* There really wasn't a whole lot of support for the project from the local people who knew of the family/situation?

There are always 2 sides to the story and while these details may or may not be true, the fact that he has helped his newly-adopted son and other young men in the community simply can't be denied.  But I'm still curious! Smile

 

 

 


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08-28-2008 at 9:30 PM
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im from Syracuse and I heard a few things about this...

 

1. This season is supposed to be themed on "heroes" and so may/may not mean that its need based. I know in the Hills case, they gave them the house for all the community work they've done

 

2. There definitely wee some Syracuse businesses that were there helping, but i dont know if tht was because no Geneva businesses wanted to help... Geneva isnt that big, you know? 

08-28-2008 at 11:53 PM
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I have no idea about the number of volunteers, I know at one point the website was shut down because they had too many, but then they were running behind on projects and asked for more volunteers.

I have no idea about the HH house, I haven't even heard about one being built nearby.

The season's theme is now supposed to be "Community Heroes", whether or not that includes people of need I have no idea.

 I've heard that the receiving family owns a couple businesses and are comfortable, how true it is or how comfortable I don't know.

No idea about the remodel.

Geneva businesses were never asked to particpate because EHM feared giving away the surprise.

The general feeling around here regarding the family chosen is fairly negative. (But I'm sure that's the case in every community EHM touches.) There are definitely a lot of families that could have used the help and who are just as active when it comes to volunteering. I know some members of the community are also quite frustrated with EHM's decision to build that gym in the backyard rather than renovate the YMCA or Boys and Girls Club facilities. (Both have been allowing the recepient to use their facilities free of charge.)

 At the very least, the receipt has done a great thing for Hammer and deserves recgonition for that. He'll now have a chance at things in life he could have never dreamed of.


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08-29-2008 at 6:24 AM
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Maybe they pick their candidates based on a few things?  They don't want someone too poor because they they wont be able to afford to heat the house or pay the property taxes so they tend to look at people that have helped the community that maybe "deserves" something better?

I never liked the show.  Something about building shacks into this huge McMansion with four fireplaces just seems so excessive.  Then again, I guess thats why they call it EXTREME home makeover lol.

 



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08-29-2008 at 7:39 AM
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RivieraBound:

Maybe they pick their candidates based on a few things?  They don't want someone too poor because they they wont be able to afford to heat the house or pay the property taxes so they tend to look at people that have helped the community that maybe "deserves" something better?

I never liked the show.  Something about building shacks into this huge McMansion with four fireplaces just seems so excessive.  Then again, I guess thats why they call it EXTREME home makeover lol.

 

i don't agree entirely with the show. what i don't understand how they justify helping one family and giving them, say, a million dollar home when they could help 4 deserving families and give them $250,000 worth of updates.

some of these homes are not that bad, hell they moved one home and gave that to another family and then rebuile the feature family a mansion- WTH?

and yes i see that lately the families have had to meet two critera- a personal issue and giving back to the community. while i agree it is a fantastic thing to to to honor somone who is giving back to their community while facing personal/family issues, this critera was not always in place. some of the first families did nothing for the community. now there are families applying who, based on the critera of the first few seasons would be deserving, but are now not. you now have a differnt show.

we have friends who applied. their youngest daughter has Rhetts syndrom. she'll probably never walk or talk and will need constant care for the rest of her life. they have a 2 story house and she is getting too big for her mother to carrier her up the stairs (bedrooms are all upstairs) eventually they will have to build a elevator. they have a pool and she responds very well to water therapy. i think it has something to do with the bouancy, it relieves her and she can move legs, she really turns into a different child. but this is Buffalo and you can only use your pool maybe 3 months out of the year. an indoor pool- nothing ginormous, and an elevator is all this family needs. not a million dollar home, not all new top of the line appliances & tv's, not expensive custom made bedrooms for 4yo's who like dinosaurs or volcanoes now and will more than likely hate them next year, or custom landscaping.

if the point of the show is to get people to get into the sprit of community and giving back, then they should touch more lives instead of making instant celebrities out of a chosen few.



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08-29-2008 at 8:06 AM
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I'm from Seneca Falls, but work in Geneva...actually right around the corner from the EHM project.  I can only comment on a few of your points in question...now these are my opinions so I hope no one jumps all over me for what I'm commenting on...I'm just sharing info/thoughts.

1. Yes, EHM had thousands of volunteers...know this 2nd hand b/c one of my co-workers was 1 of them.

2. My husband sits on the habitat for humanity board and has worked on the house almost every Saturday since January.  He actually took the day off today, to finish up things b/c the house needs to be 100% done by early next week.  They have had a major problem getting volunteers for this project, according to DH, the most on 1 day he has seen was 12 people, otherwise the average has been 3-4.  There has been a few articles in the paper, my husband writes them, about this house...it's in Ovid. 

3.  I read an article in the paper that said the focus was going to be "people who help the community."  IMHO...I have never heard of this family before this project.

4. Mr. Hill (husband/father) has his own construction business which helped build the house.  IMHO...from the look of their old house, I think they were doing fine and I have a good feeling the family had to know in advance.

5. Idk anything about the remodel of the downstairs.

6. Heard/read some businesses wouldn't participate b/c EHM came flying into Geneva and demanded all this man power, thousands of dollars, all these donations and left a BAD taste in most of the people's mouth.  A lot of people, including myself are glad they are gone.  I guess people from SYR signed up to volunteer thinking EHM was going to be in SYR and it turned out not to be, when people sign up it says be willing to travel x# of miles....guess some people didn't read that.

7. I heard the same thing you did about people knowing the family and not helping...don't know for sure.

Hope I was some help.


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08-29-2008 at 8:11 AM
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I think that people tend to get very caught up in the excitement of something like EMHE coming to their area and forget the big picture...  It is a TV show!  It is not a charity group, not a not-for-profit, but a show that is out to produce ratings, capture the audience and make $$.  And I am sure those are the motivating force behind chosing the family they chose.    I think a big part is the connection with the Boxing hall of fame (in Canastota) and the Hill's boxing story.  I am sure if they had found a family closer to Canastota with a good boxing story, they would have.  Notice the builder was from Canastota???  They also did some shooting at the Boxing Hall of Fame and the director(boxing expert) had a hand in the design of the boxing gym.  Also, they needed a community that could accomodate their needs.  Such as use of the local schools and storage areas.

As for volunteers...  They had more than enough volunteers to begin with, but once many people found out the family they backed out.  I don't think because they didn't believe in the chosen family, but because they believed rumors that it was such and such family.  I heard rumors that it was to be one of two families in Mattydale, a family in Baldwinsville, a family in Bridgeport, one in Verona, one in Waterloo and even in Watertown.  So of course people were disappointed it wasn't 'thier' family that they believed it was when they signed up.  As for needed more volunteers, if you watch the show...  they ALWAYS need more volunteers.  Just about every episode they say that they aren't sure they are going to make the deadline and have to put the word out to local media.  They say something like, they aren't just building a house, but a house AND a boxing center so they need extra...  blah, blah.  But the reality is these structures have not only been planned for months, but most was pre-fabricated in a warehouse in Westmoreland.  FYI- this family was picked from the very begining, the major companies involved knew exactly the town, home and family before even signing on.

And for the Syracuse area companies?  C&S was the main organizer for this build.  I don't think they could have found a company nearly as diverse to organize this build anywhere.  C&S has many divisions which really made it perfect.  They designed the website, organized the volunteers, there main division is build and design.  So they have environmental engineers to do all the survaying etc., a construction crew, quieter homes division specializes in designing heating/air conditioning, windows, roofing, etc.  They even have a crain company and donated the crains on site.  Besides, by C&S standards, Geneva is very local, they actually do very little of thier business in Syracuse.  They really are every where!  I know my DH has had accounts such as the Buffalo runway extension, the Plattburg airport move to the old air force base, he even has accounts in the Hamptons.

I also think that this build will actually hurt the Hill's businesses.  People are going to have the idea that since the Hill's got free services at the expense of the comunity that the Hills should extend it to them.  People are going to want discounts when hiring the sealing company for thier drive way and they are going to want discounts and freebies from the jewelry shop.  Parents are going to be lining up at the new gym to get their kids into the new, improved free boxing lessons.  How will Tim be able to keep up with demand and still keep it free?  I think when the dust all settles, this is going to have a big negative impact on the Hill family.  Which is very sad.


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08-29-2008 at 8:35 AM
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Hey!  I'm not sure on all of these things, but here are some of the things I've heard....

The paper said there were about 3,000 volunteers...not sure if that is how many signed up or how many were actually used.  Part of the problem is that everyone wants to help just to say they helped, to get a look at the house, meet famous people, or to have a chance at getting on tv, you know?  They were asking for skilled volunteers halfway through the project because the people who had signed up couldn't actually do a lot of the work, like drywalling and what not.

 I didn't know about the Habitat for Humanity project, either, until I read a letter to the editor in the paper this week.  We don't normally get the paper, so I had no idea it was going on.  Let's be honest...more people want to get involved when there is a tv show sponsoring the project than if it is just a regular project. 

If you look on wikipedia it talks about the theme for this season.

Again, let's be honest...ABC finally got smart and realized that they can't do these kinds of projects for single moms with 10 kids because they simply can't keep up with the bills once all is said and done.  They are probably choosing families who are more "comfortable" so that they aren't leaving families with houses they can't afford.  I have no idea about the Hill's and how they live...On the news it said that they are both counselors and I don't know about any other businesses they are involved in or own...I don't know the family at all.

 I don't know if the house had been remodeled.  MH was in it right before it got demolished and he said it was just okay, nothing fancy.

No idea about the local businesses.

I heard a lot of negative comments...it actually made me really sad that people couldn't just be happy for the family.  Sure, there are always more "deserving" families out there...ABC can't rebuild houses for every sad case in every state of the union.  Like cutemin said, this is for tv.  This is not some non-for-profit organization coming in and helping a family.  They go above and beyond for the family in order to keep their ratings up.  Yeah, they could build 4 $250,000 houses, but would they get as many viewers?  Probably not.  I think we should all just be happy that our little area of upstate NY finally got recognized for something more than wine! ;)
 


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08-29-2008 at 9:22 AM
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Thanks for your responses.  There are some very valid points.  It's really helpful to now have more complete information.  I'm not a fan of the show - I've "seen" it, but don't "watch" it, so I was just curious about the details that wouldn't be covered by the media. Wink    Thanks!


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08-29-2008 at 10:11 AM
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Cutemin:

I think that people tend to get very caught up in the excitement of something like EMHE coming to their area and forget the big picture...  It is a TV show!  It is not a charity group, not a not-for-profit, but a show that is out to produce ratings, capture the audience and make $$.  And I am sure those are the motivating force behind chosing the family they chose.    I think a big part is the connection with the Boxing hall of fame (in Canastota) and the Hill's boxing story.  I am sure if they had found a family closer to Canastota with a good boxing story, they would have.  Notice the builder was from Canastota???  They also did some shooting at the Boxing Hall of Fame and the director(boxing expert) had a hand in the design of the boxing gym.  Also, they needed a community that could accomodate their needs.  Such as use of the local schools and storage areas.

 

it's sad that a multi billion dollar conglomerate (disney) uses 'charity' as a way to boost ratings for one tv show.

btw they just raised their rates at their theme parks.



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08-29-2008 at 10:14 AM
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Just a comment about all of the businesses the family supposedly owns- I believe Tim Hill owns a driveway sealing company, and he's a school counselor in Watkins Glen.  His wife's parents own the jewelry store- the Hill family doesn't own it.  She probably works there, but from what I've heard, she does not own it.

They do make money, but they also give away lots of their money.   All the training, equipment, travel expenses, etc., for the boxing team is paid for by the family.   There are also very severe restrictions on how they can use the boxing gym according to zoning.  They will not be able to charge to use it or anything like that, so it's not going to be a moneymaker.




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08-29-2008 at 10:49 AM
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Some of those were the points that tigger pointed out when the family was first announced. The points about the family having multiple businesses, are well off, and vacation in the bahamas every year. I tended to believe her, simply because it was coming from someone I "chat" with instead of just reading it in the paper.  But I don't live there, so don't technically know.

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08-29-2008 at 11:08 AM
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Mrs.JDD:

I heard a lot of negative comments...it actually made me really sad that people couldn't just be happy for the family.  Sure, there are always more "deserving" families out there...ABC can't rebuild houses for every sad case in every state of the union.  Like cutemin said, this is for tv.  This is not some non-for-profit organization coming in and helping a family.  They go above and beyond for the family in order to keep their ratings up.  Yeah, they could build 4 $250,000 houses, but would they get as many viewers?  Probably not.  I think we should all just be happy that our little area of upstate NY finally got recognized for something more than wine! ;)
 

i'm not saying that this family is not deserving of this honor, i don't know them or their story.

i just think that if, as a tv show, you are showcasing people that make differences for the better in the community and giving them a little help so they can continue their work, the show should be doing the same on a wider scale, they have the power to do that.

as far as ratings go, this type of show will always have good ratings b/c in addition to the regular viewers, everyone in the area the show was taped will be watching to see if they, or so & so, friends, relatives, etc. are on it. they have fresh new viewers every show just from the town they taped in that might stick around for the next show. it's not like other shows that you have to watch previous episodes to know what is going on, you can pick it up anytime.

 

and hey! there is nothing wrong with being recognized for your wine- it's very good wine and there are many worse (and somethines untrue) things to be recognized for!

 

 



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08-30-2008 at 8:36 AM
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Definitely nothing wrong with being recognized for our wine...just saying that it's nice to have something else going on around here for once :)

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