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11-03-2009 at 3:27 PM
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Dreading the holidays. Help! *very long*

DH and I are both in our twenties (I'm 26, he's 28), have been married for 4 years and have no children. He comes from a large, very close family (8 kids, parents still married). I was pretty much an only child (my half-sister is 9 years older and left when I was 6 or 7; my step-brother mostly lived with his mom) and come from a very crazy, messed up family. Both my mother and step-father have severe problems with alcohol and drug abuse and my mom has been physically and verbally abusive to me since childhood. Because I was confined to this environment growing up I had severe anxiety into my early twenties.


After a particularly awful episode with my mom at my wedding, I made the decision to cut off all contact with them until they seek treatment for and fix the problems that they have. Since I made this decision my anxiety has gotten a lot better. It’s worth noting that my h.sister and s.brother have also cut off contact with them (my h.sister actually ran away at 16). I don't see my h.sister (no one knows where she is) or my s.brother (we were never particularly close) either, but not necessarily by choice. My mother never spoke about her immediate family (even though she came from a very large family) and we never visited them so I did not have a relationship with my maternal grandparents, aunts/uncles, etc. growing up. We did visit my s.father's family during the holidays but since I cut off contact with my parents I have not continued this relationship as I was never particularly close with them (and they have all kinds of crazy also). I did spend time with my biological father's mom (my grandmother) and aunts/uncles during my childhood and continue to do so today. However, I have not had a good relationship with my biological father, which is the reason for this post. Sorry to have to give a complete biography and dip into sordid family problems, but it helps to understand the issue I'm having.


My mother has been married three times and she divorced my b.father (husband #2) when I was very young (1 or 2). I continued to visit my b.father for the weekend every two weeks or so until I was 7 or 8 when my mother "forced" him to give up parental rights or face jail time for unpaid child support. Or at least this is the story that she told me. It probably doesn't matter what the reason really was since toward the end my b.father started having drug problems of his own, was often in transient housing situations, and when I would visit I was probably not in very safe environments (but, being a small child I didn't know it at the time).


I did not see my b.father again until I was 16 or 17 years old. I think my paternal grandmother had some hand in convincing my mom to talk about him to me and see if he could come around. The reason for his sudden return into my life turned out to be because he had a second child a year or two before (my half-brother) and had found out recently that not only was his son autistic but also that he had contracted AIDS (likely during his drug episodes). Faced with his own mortality (I assume) and wanting to introduce my h.brother, he decided to amend his various family relationships (his mother and siblings had somewhat given up on him due to his drug problems as well), which apparently included me.


This was not a very convincing amendment (at least with me). I saw him a few times after that (he came to my mom's house) and also when I'd see my grandmother and aunts/uncles for the holidays. This has pretty much continued to this day and is usually the only time I see him (I sometimes see my paternal grandmother and aunts/uncles at other times of the year).


In the last several years my b.father found love again with a woman who has two teenage sons and they are now all living together (including my h.brother when my b.father has visitation). I am happy for him, but I don't particularly care for his girlfriend or her children. My b.father fell quite ill about a year and a half ago and I tried to be supportive of him as he went through several surgeries and even tried to start a "normal" relationship with him (as much of one as we can have now, anyway).


However, I found that I really couldn't make this work. There are a lot of reasons for this. One being his girlfriend, who either does not know about our past or refuses to acknowledge it and continually insists that I am the reason we don't get together often enough, that I should be more supportive of my b.father, etc, etc., and insists on introducing me to everyone who happens to be around as my b.father's "daughter", which I don't agree with at all, especially with strangers. Also, her children are ill mannered and loud, much like my b.father's girlfriend, and are rude and annoying to DH.


Another problem is that my b.father has started continually raving about his "new, awesome, fabulous, perfect" family with his girlfriend. He (and his girlfriend) is constantly talking about how great their sons are, what they’re doing as a family, etc. etc. This happens all the time, whether we are out together or with extended family. This really hurts me but I don't think he knows (his mind is somewhat gone from his illness and the medication he is on). I don't feel like I am part of his “new family” (not that I really want to be in a traditional sense) and am hurt that he's so happy now when he decided to dump the “old” family he had (me, his mom, his siblings, etc.). I am also angry that he abandoned me with someone (my mom) who hurt me and ruined my childhood. I’m not even sure if he knows all that happened to me. He and the rest of my paternal extended family do know that I don’t talk to my mother or s.father, so I think they are aware that something is “up”. They have also experienced first-hand the craziness of my mother so my intuition is that they know enough. No matter what I try I cannot stop thinking about these things when I am around my b.father. He also has never tried to talk about our past or provide any clarity or apology, not that I’m sure it would help.


The final problem is my anxiety. It goes through the roof when I know I have to be with him, even if there are going to be other people there (my paternal grandmother, aunts/uncles, etc.). I have panic attacks before and after the visit and usually get depressed. Of course, my b.father insists on bringing his “new family” to all the events, which compounds the problem.


So, FINALLY, my question is, should I continue this? I love my husband and his family and greatly enjoy spending time with them, especially the holidays. I also love my paternal grandmother, aunts/uncles, etc. very much, but dealing with my b.father has made visits with them completely unbearable (for me and my DH) since he’s usually there. For the last several years we traded off holidays between our families but I am starting to wish we didn’t have to. But I feel SO guilty not seeing my paternal extended family and don’t want to hurt them. Lately I have been avoiding all contact with my b.father but the holidays are just around the corner and I need to make a decision. DH is incredibly supportive and will take my lead. Help?!

Update: Thank you all so much for your comments, they really have helped. I guess I was looking for some perspective and an outside opinion (DH is wonderful but perhaps somewhat biased. ;) ) and that is what I have been given. Again, thanks so much for your thoughts, they have really helped me to think through everything from a lot of different perspectives.


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11-03-2009 at 3:45 PM
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Just be honest with yourself: you DON'T want to do this. You don't want to spend the holidays with them. There's nothing wrong with that. You've had a long road and you've clearly given spending time with them a number of tries.

If I were you, I'd be ready to say goodbye to all of that, and do what you want to do. Spend the holidays with your DH and his family.

 
11-03-2009 at 3:53 PM
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I read your whole post but my initial response is that you didn't even have to tell us all of that to justify a decision not to spend the holidays with your family. I think drug abuse, alcoholism, abuse, and neglect are all perfectly good reasons to not want to continue to expose yourself to these toxic relationships. Honestly you don't even need to explain all of it. You're perfectly within your rights to say you don't want that in your life. I'm glad that your H supports you.


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11-03-2009 at 3:54 PM
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I'm sorry this is to long to read is there any way you can edit this down to the point? If you can then I will read and give you my recommendations. I'm sure you would get more responses as well.

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11-03-2009 at 3:56 PM
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Reply to Lhalsey315: Well, I warned you. :) Have a nice day.

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11-03-2009 at 3:58 PM
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Wow.  You've got a lot going on here.

I'd cut your mom out.  Just because someone is capable of having kids does not mean that they'll be a good parent.  She and your step father fall into that category, so, no, you don't have to see them or feel guilty about that decision.

Now on to your dad.  You, unfortunately, were born to two individuals who struggle with substance abuse.  You feel that your father abandoned you to your mother, and you're hurt by that.  While I sympathize, what you don't seem to understand is that your dad has a problem.  His brain wasn't functioning like a healthy person's would.  That doesn't make what he did right, but as an adult, you need to start looking at your parents as individuals, not as your protectors.  Does that make sense?  He failed you, yes, but he failed because of a disease that renders him incapable of taking care of himself, much less a child.

You said that you hate being referred to as his daughter, but you also say that it hurts when you aren't included as part of his family.  I think that you need to examine exactly what you want and expect out of him.  You can't say that you don't want to be part of his family and then get hurt when you aren't. 

Despite all of that, at the end of the day, you get to decide who is and who is not your family.  If your biological family is too much for you to bear, then don't do it.  If you're interested in mending a relationship with them, and I strongly suggest counseling for you whether you forge a relationship or not, then you and your dad need to work that out first, and then worry about everyone else (his GF, your DH, grandparents, etc.). 



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11-03-2009 at 3:58 PM
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Go see your DH family for the holidays.  Just because you don't see your b.dad's family during the holidays doesn't mean you will stop having a relationship with them.  You can continue to see them at minor family gatherings and if one day you feel comfortable around your b.dad, then you can re-evaluate the holidays.

 
11-03-2009 at 4:20 PM
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Spend the holidays with the people you actually like.



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11-03-2009 at 4:24 PM
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Don't continue this.  If your anxiety is under control when you're not around your biological father, then that is your body's way of telling you it is a bad idea.  In your words, "I love my husband and his family and greatly enjoy spending time with them, especially the holidays."  Make the choice that's best for you.  It seems like you're already leaning this way, so if you need the push, here it is.  Take care!

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11-03-2009 at 4:31 PM
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Why would you voluntarily spend your holiday time around people who cause you physical distress?  There's no law that says you have to see a parent on any of the holidays.

Since you enjoy being around your DH's family,  I'd spend all the holidays with them and make happy memories.  Stop torturing yourself.

 

 
11-03-2009 at 4:46 PM
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You can see your b.dad family at other times during the year (if you want). Spend the holidays with whoever you want and don't feel guilty about it.

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11-03-2009 at 4:52 PM
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I have to agree with PP's. Spend the holidays in a joyful and peaceful setting with your inlaws. Don't feel badly about not wanting to spend them with your side of the family. Make good memories with your DH and enjoy your holiday season! I agree that there are other times in the year when you can visit your ext. family.
 
11-03-2009 at 6:24 PM
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No amount of wishful thinking, hoping, or 'trying', will make time go backward in its tracks and turn these people into decent people who loved and cared for you as they should have. You cannot get from these people what it is you needed from them (and what they owed you, as parents) when you needed it .

You feel guilty about turning your dad away because he's ill. Would you want him in your life if, instead of AIDS, he had herpes? Hell no. These people are damaged; they damaged you; and they'll continue to do so. You really do get to love your life, to have fun with people who care about you, and stay away from people who damaged you.   


 
11-03-2009 at 7:06 PM
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No, you don't have to continue "this" with your bio father while it gives you anxiety attacks before and after the events.  

In fact, you don't even owe everyone or your b dad an explanation.  If they sincerely ask, and I mean SINCERELY then you can state what you need to continue the contact/relationship.  

But in the meanwhile you have endured enough behaviors and actions of the authority figures and adults in your life to just BAIL on expectations, going forward.

Do what is healthy and good for you!  YOU.  YOU.  Maybe things will change in future.  But THAT is not your job to control.

Be good to yourself.  Wouldn't these people want that for you, anyway? 


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11-04-2009 at 1:21 AM
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Just spend time with the people you love and not the abusive ones.  Some day you can have your own family and then you will be very selective who you expose them to.  I much rather go see certain relatives and family over others.  Christmas is a special time and I dont want to be sad and anxious around it.

 
11-04-2009 at 7:18 AM
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Basically what others have said - spend the holidays w/ who you WANT to.

You can see your paternal family (minus your father) another time.  Seeing family at the holidays doesn't make or break a family. 

If they get upset, if they try to guilt you, you simply say "I can't be around my father.  I would love to see you after the holidays at a time taht he won't be there.". Period.

If they dont' understand that, then it's their loss.


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11-04-2009 at 9:20 AM
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Wow!  what a saga!  First of all, you sound like a reasonably sane, nice person with a genuine dilemma on your hands.  I'm sorry you're dealing with all this, but happy for you that you found a great family through marriage.

My advice: surround yourself with people who care about you and support you.  Distance yourself from people whom you find draining or stressful.  Don't feel guilty about doing this!  You don't owe anyone a doggone thing except yourself, your husband, and any future children you may have.  What you owe them is a happy, balanced self/wife/future mom. 


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