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01-28-2010 at 8:21 PM
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Explain Grey Cards

I know that they are for setting white balance but when you get to the calibrating part...that's where I get lost.

How exactly does this work?


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01-28-2010 at 8:25 PM
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You can either use it to set the custom white balance in camera before you shoot, or you can take a picture of it and then use it to set the white balance in a batch of files in post processing.
 
01-28-2010 at 8:27 PM
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do you fill the frame with it or no?

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01-28-2010 at 8:30 PM
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If you're setting custom white balance on your camera, yes I think you need to.  If you're using it for post processing, I think it just needs to be in the picture so you can get the little eyedropper on it.
 
01-28-2010 at 8:32 PM
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MTOW:
or you can take a picture of it and then use it to set the white balance in a batch of files in post processing.

ok...how do you do this ^ I use PSE8 and Camera Raw


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01-28-2010 at 8:38 PM
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Mr&MrsS:

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or you can take a picture of it and then use it to set the white balance in a batch of files in post processing.

ok...how do you do this ^ I use PSE8 and Camera Raw

OK, I have Photoshop CS3, so I can't tell you about Elements, but in Camera Raw, open the picture with the gray card and click on the half filled eyedropper at the top (if you hover over it, it should say White Balance Tool), and then click on the gray card.  Click a few different places on the card and see what looks best, you'll probably get some slight variations.  Then you can save a preset (look for "Save Settings" -- it's on a fly-out menu on mine to the right of where it says Basic) based on that white balance and apply ("Apply Preset" from the same menu) it to other photos from that shoot.  I know there's a way to do the whole batch at once, but I usually just edit a few from each shoot so I apply individually and tweak.

 
01-28-2010 at 8:41 PM
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Thanks so much, that helps a lot! I'm guessing they are all the same correct? one brand is no better than another?

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01-28-2010 at 9:27 PM
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I don't even have one, so I can't really say :)  But I'd think a gray card is a gray card. 
 
01-29-2010 at 5:07 AM
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I'll jump in, yes, a gray card is a gray card!  =D  I have the basic kind, just cardboard.  There are other fancy dancy ones that are more "travel" friendly (fit in your camera bag), lens caps, etc. that all are about custom white balancing.

Also, the original purpose of a gray card concerned metering, and you can still use it that way.  Basically you get it w/ the same illumination as your surrounding pic, get in close & meter off of it.  The reason is you might have a setup where you've got all sorts of variety of color/lighting, etc.  The gray card is equivalent to what the meter is trying to read, so it just helps bypass other extraneous info that the meter might be picking up on (a black background, a spot light, whatever).

However, I think that was more a tool for film.  Now you can check your histogram, take test shots, or adjust exposure to fit in post-processing, so using a gray card in that manner is not as common.  And, your camera has ways to "spot meter" (where it closes in the area it is reading from, really good w/ a backlit shot where you want to meter off the face, and don't want the surrounding light background messing up your meter) and other things that help.

 
01-29-2010 at 9:30 AM
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afwells:

I'll jump in, yes, a gray card is a gray card!  =D  I have the basic kind, just cardboard.  There are other fancy dancy ones that are more "travel" friendly (fit in your camera bag), lens caps, etc. that all are about custom white balancing.

Also, the original purpose of a gray card concerned metering, and you can still use it that way.  Basically you get it w/ the same illumination as your surrounding pic, get in close & meter off of it.  The reason is you might have a setup where you've got all sorts of variety of color/lighting, etc.  The gray card is equivalent to what the meter is trying to read, so it just helps bypass other extraneous info that the meter might be picking up on (a black background, a spot light, whatever).

However, I think that was more a tool for film.  Now you can check your histogram, take test shots, or adjust exposure to fit in post-processing, so using a gray card in that manner is not as common.  And, your camera has ways to "spot meter" (where it closes in the area it is reading from, really good w/ a backlit shot where you want to meter off the face, and don't want the surrounding light background messing up your meter) and other things that help.

Supposedly though the ones used for expsure (like the photovision target) are not actually the correct color to use for setting WB. They say they are, but according to the color gurus on ILP that I trust implicitly they are not. 

I use the digital grey kard  - it works pretty well, I usually have to tweak a little but it always gets me in the ballpark! 

01-29-2010 at 10:42 AM
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MrsJeffsWife2B:

Supposedly though the ones used for expsure (like the photovision target) are not actually the correct color to use for setting WB. They say they are, but according to the color gurus on ILP that I trust implicitly they are not. 

I use the digital grey kard  - it works pretty well, I usually have to tweak a little but it always gets me in the ballpark! 

Ah, I imagine they wouldn't be perfect.  After all, I've USED the meter-type gray card for my CWB. It IS good, though.  It might not be perfect, but it has worked a lot better for me than a white sheet, for instance.  I do want to get some new "take along" gray card that can store in my backpack.

Yeah...the film world and digital world, as much as aperture, ISO, & SS are the same..everything else is so different!

 
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