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10-25-2009 at 2:10 PM
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OPSEC & PERSEC

These rules are here for your safety and the safety of thousands of troops serving around the world. Please follow them. If you are found to be in violation, you will be asked to edit or even delete your post. If you do not do these on your own, your post runs the risk of being deleted. The Nest forums are different than other forums in that you do not need to be a registered member to look at the site or read the message board posts. Using full names is not recommended for a screen name. Not enough information is always better than too much. Remember, this is for safety and security.


OPSEC

  1. Do not post exact deployment dates or redeployment dates
  2. Do not reveal camp locations, including nearby cities. Afterthe deployment is officially announced by Military officials, you maydiscuss locations that have been released, normally on the Countrylevel.
  3. Do not discuss convoy routes (“we travelled through Takrit on our way to X”)
  4. Detailed information on the mission, capabilities or morale of a unit
  5. Specific names or actual nicknames
  6. Personnel transactions that occur in large numbers (Example: pay information, powers of attorney, wills, etc)
  7. Details concerning security procedures, response times, tactics
  8. Don’t discuss equipment or lack thereof, to include training equipment
  9. Don’t speculate about future operations
  10. If posting pictures, don’t post anything that could bemisconstrued or used for propaganda purposes. A good rule of thumb isto look at your picture without your caption or explanation andconsider if it could be re-captioned to reflect poorly on coalitionforces. For example, your image might show your Soldier rescuing achild from a blast site, but could be re-captioned to insinuate thatthe child being captured or harmed. (it’s happened!)
  11. Avoid the use of count-down tickers for the same reason as rule #1
  12. be very careful if posting pictures of your loved one. Avoidimages that show significant landmarks near their base of operations,and black out last names and unit affiliations
  13. Do not, ever, post information about casualties (coalition or enemy) before the official release of the information.
  14. Do not pass on rumors (“I heard they’re coming home early”, etc)

PERSEC

PERSEC is also known aspersonal security. Like OPSEC, this involves guarding the informationthat you know. Do not give out your soldier's name along with rank. Bevague about your personal information on the internet. This is plaincommon sense in just every day life -regardless of if your husband isin the military. The old saying loose lips sink ships still holds truetoday. Keep your soldier, your family and his unit safe by keeping theinformation you know to yourself. You never know who is lurking andgathering information on message boards, myspace pages and profiles,etc. Better safe than sorry!

Please be sure to look at your Bio's and make sure that there is not any identifying personal information. 

OPSEC/PERSEC FAQ's

"Can I have a countdown ticker?": The short answer is no. Anything hinting at a troop movement, whether alone or in a group, is strictly prohibited. If you do want and must have a ticker, use a count up ticker. IE: He has been gone for xxx days. If you MUST tell someone what is happening follow these examples...

Safe:
“My Marine/Sailor/Soldier/Airman/Coastie is coming home soon!”
“A few more months and he’ll/she'll hopefully be home!”
“Spoke with my Marine/Sailor/Soldier/Airman/Coastie today and they are busy!”

Not Safe:
“My Marine/Sailor/Soldier/Airman/Coastie will be home between 5-10 June”
“5 days until I see my Marine/Sailor/Soldier/Airman/Coastie”
“He’s/She's due home in July!”
“Spoke with my Marine/Sailor/Soldier/Airman/Coastie today and they are busy doing patrols in XYZ province.”

The "Not Safe" examples are ACTUAL status messages pulled from people's FB and Myspace accounts. 

Posting specific information can and will delay homecomings. It has happened before. 

"I have a Facebook and Myspace, how do I keep myself safe?": You can take simple steps to keep yourself and your information safe by making them private and only inviting people you know to view your page. This can extend far past these two networking sites. Google is a powerful tool. One can Google the smallest bit of information and come up with thousands of hits for YOU. It is possible and has happened. You are not invincible. Take the correct steps to safeguard your accounts and your information. Remember to safeguard your Knot/Nest Bio as well! And remember what you say and do online can affect you and possibly yours or your spouse's career in the military.

"There's a picture of my husband/myself I want to use in my sig. He's/I'm in uniform and it shows his/my name and/or rank. Can I use it?": This is a judgment call. If your name is very unique and can be seen in the picture, blur out the name (a number of photo sites offer this feature) or pick a different picture. It you have a very common last name like Smith or Jones, it probably won't hurt you unless he/you are very high ranking which could make you potentially easy to find.

"What do I say to someone IRL who is violating OPSEC/PERSEC?": If it's a small thing, I would just bring it up in a friendly matter. Be sure to know exactly what the "violation" is when explaining to them that they violated OPSEC/PERSEC. If it's a major violation, get in contact with them immediately. If they are unwilling to change what they are doing, it is okay to take it up the Chain of Command (COC) to get it fixed. If they won't listen to you, chances are, they'll listen to someone in direct authority over them or their husbands.

 

 

 
10-25-2009 at 2:12 PM
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Did you put this on our FAQ page?
 
10-25-2009 at 5:43 PM
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10-25-2009 at 6:02 PM
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Thanks a ton, I was just wondering about this. Maybe that is why you posted it, and if so thanks. Having these specific rules and examples makes it easier to understand than vague "be careful" type statements, so it is much appreciated.

 

What about... Talking about anniversary or birth dates? Ages? Things we are doing/events we are going to? When we buy a house? I think those are the only things I might have issue with. I realize it's under our discretion and all just interested in thoughts about it. Still not used to being a military wife and all these rules. :D



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10-25-2009 at 6:03 PM
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winterorchids:

Thanks a ton, I was just wondering about this. Maybe that is why you posted it, and if so thanks. Having these specific rules and examples makes it easier to understand than vague "be careful" type statements, so it is much appreciated.

 

What about... Talking about anniversary or birth dates? Ages? Things we are doing/events we are going to? When we buy a house? I think those are the only things I might have issue with. I realize it's under our discretion and all just interested in thoughts about it. Still not used to being a military wife and all these rules. :D

Those things are fine. Don't post your full address, don't tell us exactly when he is leaving, where he is going and when he will be back, things like that

 
10-25-2009 at 6:33 PM
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winterorchids:

What about... Talking about anniversary or birth dates? Ages? Things we are doing/events we are going to? When we buy a house? I think those are the only things I might have issue with. I realize it's under our discretion and all just interested in thoughts about it. Still not used to being a military wife and all these rules. :D

What we are mainly concerned about is information regarding our military that could be dangerous in the wrong hands.  We first and foremost want to make sure that we are not giving out troop information that could in an way, shape or form cause our service members harm.

PERSEC is personal security.  To be blunt - it's what you want or don't want anyone and their mom on the internet knowing about you.  It ties in with OPSEC with regard to unit names, ranks, etc.  Ages and anniversaries are fine.

 
10-26-2009 at 10:14 AM
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Is saying "he'll be home in July" really specific enough to be a problem?
 
10-26-2009 at 10:38 AM
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Spunkchin:
Is saying "he'll be home in July" really specific enough to be a problem?

Yes.

 
10-27-2009 at 2:33 PM
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I have another question. Is telling people "he just left" also a violation of OPSEC? That would be a huge indicator of troop movement, right?

Thanks for answering my Q's Leah!

 
10-27-2009 at 2:35 PM
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Spunkchin:

I have another question. Is telling people "he just left" also a violation of OPSEC? That would be a huge indicator of troop movement, right?

Thanks for answering my Q's Leah!

Meh. I don't think so. Coming home is more risky because we know where they are and where they're coming home to and when.

Saying, "He just left" isn't as specific. People's definitions of "just" vary.

Along the same lines, saying "He's there" is okay as well. Once they have arrived in their location, it's okay to name the country. 

 
10-27-2009 at 2:35 PM
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Spunkchin:

I have another question. Is telling people "he just left" also a violation of OPSEC? That would be a huge indicator of troop movement, right?

Thanks for answering my Q's Leah!

If you say vaguely, "he just left" that's ok. Saying "he left home, two days ago,  and is leaving the states at like 11 pm and he should be in country soon." or something like that is too many details. Make sense?

 
10-27-2009 at 4:17 PM
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Yup.
 
04-11-2010 at 5:33 PM
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So, just for clarification, is it bad to post where someone is curr. stationed in the states? I know a lot of the explicit rules are for deployment purposes... just wondering your opinion(s). Thanks.
 
04-11-2010 at 5:35 PM
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ncsu24kat:
So, just for clarification, is it bad to post where someone is curr. stationed in the states? I know a lot of the explicit rules are for deployment purposes... just wondering your opinion(s). Thanks.

Some people don't do it for PERSEC reasons.


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08-11-2010 at 10:56 PM
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i  hate how the military says we cant publicly say when we leave and when we plan to return because there is always some nit wit sgt or officer that ends up telling the local news stations about it and then they cover it the day of and broadcast the exact dates that the soldiers and their families are supposed to keep secret. so hypocritical.

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08-12-2010 at 12:13 AM
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oceanbtsmallr:
i  hate how the military says we cant publicly say when we leave and when we plan to return because there is always some nit wit sgt or officer that ends up telling the local news stations about it and then they cover it the day of and broadcast the exact dates that the soldiers and their families are supposed to keep secret. so hypocritical.

Welcome to the nest.  Congratulations on digging up a post from two years ago.

When family members start clearing their Facebook updates with a Public Affairs Officer, I'll stop pushing OPSEC.


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08-12-2010 at 12:15 AM
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How the eff did someone manage to dig this up? Jesus.


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08-12-2010 at 12:20 AM
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This is just awesome.

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08-12-2010 at 12:20 AM
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Well, it's linked at the top and it was never locked.

Dang, over 3 thousand views. Good to know it's being looked at, at least.  


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08-12-2010 at 12:23 AM
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oceanbtsmallr:
i  hate how the military says we cant publicly say when we leave and when we plan to return because there is always some nit wit sgt or officer that ends up telling the local news stations about it and then they cover it the day of and broadcast the exact dates that the soldiers and their families are supposed to keep secret. so hypocritical.

 

Yeah! Let's kill all the Sgts and Os. They SUCK!  

 
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I was like .... Leah-Lou who?


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Bahaha! I remember reading this when I first joined the nest over a year ago.I miss those old SN's! Good thing y'all are still around!

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Wow, I saw the Leah_Lou and felt like it was a flash back to the old days - my posting here and everyone's old names.

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