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12-05-2012 at 8:56 AM
bagelbites
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What to do with bonus?

Trying to decide what to do with about $100k in cash.  DH gets an annual bonus about equivalent to his salary - in prior years (hasn't always been that high) we have used a part of it for our wedding (paid ourselves), buying our house with 20% down, paying down extra on our mortgage and refi-ing at first a 20 year, now we have a 15 year, and buying/paying off cars.  We don't want it to sit in cash and are trying to figure out the best way to make the money work for us.  While the bonus isn't guaranteed, with his new job, he basically gets the same amount each year, this year he'll take home about $75k after taxes, this has only been going on at this level for two years, so we want to be smart about what we do with it. This will bring our savings back up to about $100k cash (we recently did some home improvements so the cash was a bit low). I'd like to keep about $50k in an Efund, and with new raises we have the ability to add to our savings up to about $3k per month for 2013. 

We have about $530k in our 401ks, $8k in a college fund for our 18 mo DD (plus $60k in an gifted annuity from a family member). No credit cards, no car payment. We are 34/35 years old.  Our options - pay down mortgage further; more home improvement (we have 1.5 baths, could spend 25k to add a shower to 1/2 bath and build a mud room), though we are not in our forever house so I am cautious to put good money after bad - probably seek to move in about 4 years; more college savings (we'll probably have 1 more child soon); or eventually buy an investment property (that is what I want to do - we spend a lot of money on vacations, so I'd like to buy and manage a rental property).  Would welcome your thoughts, I know it is a good problem to have but we are trying to plan carefully because we will be in this same situation next December and our bills/spending is not likely to change for the next 4 years until we move. 

At a glance - 

$6500 - DH take home after, tax, health insurance, dependent care, FSA, parking 

$2800 - My take home, I work 2 days a week, probably will continue to do so.

$2600 - PITI, $295k remaining on a 15 year, house valued at $515k

$820 - Daycare, 2 days a week (HCOL area)

$700 - Utilities, cable, phone, car insurance

$2000 - monthly spending on food, entertainment, gas, fun money, dining out, babysitting, baby stuff, baby classes -- I have this refined out further, but for simplicity sake I am just putting a lump here. My NY resolution is to be a bit more frugal here. 

$3000 - savings or big expenses (Christmas, Vacations, other non-recurring items -- mostly can go to savings though and I'd like to be more diligent here too. 

 

 
12-05-2012 at 8:58 AM
bagelbites
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I should have made it clear that the DH take home number is NOT including the bonus money.  Also, we work for an investment firm and can not buy stocks, so that is not an option. We donate about $4000 annually - both in cash and goods (adopt and family, buying turkeys, etc). 
 
12-05-2012 at 9:35 AM
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bagelbites:
I should have made it clear that the DH take home number is NOT including the bonus money.  Also, we work for an investment firm and can not buy stocks, so that is not an option. We donate about $4000 annually - both in cash and goods (adopt and family, buying turkeys, etc). 

Can you invest in an ETF?  If so, that would be my suggestion. But really,  you're at the level where your accountant and broker should be working together and telling you want to do.

 ETA: I also like the rental property idea, but I've found that having a rental property that you use yourself can cause problems and unnecessary headaches (tax and otherwise).  Still, it's not a bad idea, you just have to be willing to do the extra legwork and pay for the extra tax guidance.

Have you thought about investing in a business?  Your financial adviser should have a plethora of options seeking investment by high net worth individuals; he/she should be able to sift through the incoming prospectuses and make a recommendation as to which ones are credible and worth of consideration.


 
12-05-2012 at 9:42 AM
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We can, and we don't have either of those (yet).  I guess I should start looking for one, though my DH is an investor so he might not want one -- but I know we need a better accountant - we've been doing our taxes ourselves.  

 

My Edit, based on your edit -- no we haven't thought of a business.  I didn't mention that DH is also in a wedding band and gets about $10k cash per year from that.  I am sure the band would love to have him as an investor! HA.  Just kidding.  That is an interesting idea and something that had never crossed my mind.  I know the rental could bring headaches, and that is what DH is worried about, but we live near a great coastal town that has 3 season traffic (hour from our house) rents are about $2500 a week on average in the summer and we could buy something for between $350 and $450 that we could be quite comfortable in, short walk to beach, etc.  

 
12-05-2012 at 9:50 AM
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bagelbites:

We can, and we don't have either of those (yet).  I guess I should start looking for one, though my DH is an investor so he might not want one -- but I know we need a better accountant - we've been doing our taxes ourselves.  

 

My Edit, based on your edit -- no we haven't thought of a business.  I didn't mention that DH is also in a wedding band and gets about $10k cash per year from that.  I am sure the band would love to have him as an investor! HA.  Just kidding.  That is an interesting idea and something that had never crossed my mind.  I know the rental could bring headaches, and that is what DH is worried about, but we live near a great coastal town that has 3 season traffic (hour from our house) rents are about $2500 a week on average in the summer and we could buy something for between $350 and $450 that we could be quite comfortable in, short walk to beach, etc.  

I think the rental is a good idea, I just wouldn't suggest that you use it as a vacation house as well, lol, that was my only point. I have a rental property in a college town and it's been a great thing for us. We pay someone to manage it, enjoy the depreciation on our taxes, set the rent solely to cover the costs, and all is good. It's actually our daughter's college savings vehicle -- we just re-fi'd into a 15 yr mortgage at 4% so basically our tenants save for college for us and give us a tax break at the same time.

 

I<3 that your DH is in a wedding band! Seriously. 


 
12-05-2012 at 9:52 AM
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I would highly suggest you sit down with a financial planner. You are at the income range to need more specifics than, put an extra $200 towards this loan. I almost wouldn't pay off your mortgage. Just because the interest rate is likely low enough, and it is a 15 year mortgage, not 30. So your money would do more work in a different account. We receive an extra $50k a year on farmland that I own. It is an "extra" amount that we do not need, and we trust our financial planner to put it into something that works for us. We found one through "New York Life", because we trust in their core values. So we wanted someone that shared those qualities.

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12-05-2012 at 10:00 AM
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Yeah our mortgage is at 3.125 and I am inclined to not touch it -- at this point we need all the help we can get to get our taxes down! 
 
12-05-2012 at 10:07 AM
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bagelbites:
Yeah our mortgage is at 3.125 and I am inclined to not touch it -- at this point we need all the help we can get to get our taxes down! 

I would only touch it because your payment could come down considerably if you re-fi'd the principle down to what you actually owe at this point.  The principle on my mortgage is about equal to what you owe and we have a higher interest rate than you and pay about $500 less than you a month all in (and we are in Houston where the property taxes practically lead the nation in how high they are).

Other RE investments and even investing in a business can help you get your tax bill down by enabling you to carry losses, take depreciation, etc. I think you really need to find a financial planner that works with a tax lawyer - it is time for you to expand your guidance team.


 
12-05-2012 at 10:16 AM
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Hmmm, we just refied again a few months ago at 300k - and we've only been paying a few months on it.  Our P&I is $2089, taxes are $460 and the rest is Insurance, $99.  
 
12-05-2012 at 6:18 PM
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I'm a big fan of home renos so I would consider the shower/mud room addition.  You will be able to sell for more when you are ready to move because the extra shower will be more appealling to buyers and once your DD grows up a little more it will be nice for her to have her own bathroom.  My kids are 6, 3, and 7 months and I love not sharing a bathroom with them at all.

 Other than that I would look in to increasing either retirement investments or the college fund.

Your home interest is so low that it isn't all that appealing to pay off too early.  Plus, it is a write-off which is nice.  I would consider adding a little more to your payment each month (maybe $200) so that is will be gone sooner but I wouldn't throw too much at it and I wouldn't want to refi because that is a great rate.


 
12-06-2012 at 9:26 AM
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bagelbites:
Yeah our mortgage is at 3.125 and I am inclined to not touch it -- at this point we need all the help we can get to get our taxes down! 

One suggestion is to up your donations/contributions.  Make a more significant contribution (maybe a 5 yr committment) to a cause you & your DH really care about.  Will help on your deductions.  Also suggest sitting down with a good financial planner - they can always find ways to invest your money.  I assume you have life insurance on both of you ? 



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12-06-2012 at 11:52 AM
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You may want to put more into college fund. My niece and nephew were suppose to get a sizable amount of money to go towards college but the investments from the fund took a huge hit when the economy took a dump & they ended up with nothing. If you put the money aside for them and the annuity still holds, then you can gift them the extra money you put aside for college towards wedding, home purchase etc, or use it towards something you and your husband want or towards your retirement.
 
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